How Bounty Hunters Work

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Josh Clark: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant.

Chuck Bryant: Yes, indeed. I am here. I did not skip bail.

Josh Clark: No, you didn't, Chuck.

Chuck Bryant: No.

Josh Clark: And if you had, something would have happened to you.

Chuck Bryant: You're right.

Josh Clark: Maybe a bounty hunter would have come after you.

Chuck Bryant: Part two, Josh, our first ever - well not true, but this is two part suite.

Josh Clark: Yeah, it's definitely not our first ever.

Chuck Bryant: Thank you, Steve, reader Steve, who sent in this suggestion.

Josh Clark: Yeah, and again, it was an MPR three part series on bail in the United States that kind of kicked this thing off. Like I said, it's worth reading. Go to and you can check it out. I think you'd probably just type bail in their handy search bar.

Chuck Bryant: Uh, uh-huh.

Josh Clark: Yeah. But yeah, we asked the question at the end of the last podcast that came out on Tuesday. Here it is Thursday. The question was, "What happens when you skip bail?"

Chuck Bryant: Right.

Josh Clark: And as we just established, you get a bounty hunter sicked on your (bleep).

Chuck Bryant: Yes, in many cases, that is exactly what'll happen is a bondsman will hire what they like to be referred to as a bail enforcement agent. But of course, we like to call them bounty hunters 'cause it's just a cooler name.

Josh Clark: It's a way cooler name and it's a name that goes back several centuries, right? At least one or two.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah. Well sure, are you talking about the old west?

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, the whole thing started was when, I believe, in 1873, a Supreme Court case, Kramer versus Kramer. No?

Josh Clark: Taylor versus Tainter.

Chuck Bryant: Taylor versus Tainter, this case gave bounty hunters authority to act as agents for bail bondsmen. And then starting then, and even if it wasn't a bail bondsmen, there would be the wanted poster in the old west, like bringing back dead or alive. Of course that's just a bounty on someone's head.

Josh Clark: Right.

Chuck Bryant: Because if you bring t hem back dead, that's not going to do much good in court.

Josh Clark: Dead is easier transporting.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, but that's the way it started. And I believe, what, was Jesse James was worth five grand at his peak.

Josh Clark: Yeah, did you go on to the currency converter?

Chuck Bryant: I did.

Josh Clark: How much?

Chuck Bryant: Nearly a hundred grand.

Josh Clark: Wow.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah.

Josh Clark: I would have thought more.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, but the bail was different then. Now, he would probably be worth like 10 million.

Josh Clark: Oh sure.

Chuck Bryant: Actually, he's worth about 100 million in adrena dollars.

Josh Clark: Yeah, we're basing that on an article by Stephanie Watson, who talked to a very legendary bounty hunter, by the name of Bob Burton, right?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, you saw the picture of him, right?

Josh Clark: I did, and he looks like a total bad dude.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, carrying the shotgun and the cowboy hat. He has awesome quotes and I just wish we had Sam Elliott in the studio to read them.

Josh Clark: Yeah, that would be pretty cool.

Chuck Bryant: That would be awesome.

Josh Clark: Yeah, Bob Burton, in, I believe 2007.

Chuck Bryant: Yes.

Josh Clark: 2007, made 20,000 arrests.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, he and his agents.

Josh Clark: His agents. And he's personally made many, many thousand over the last 25 years that he's been in business.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, he's director of the national enforcement agency.

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: I guess that's just the name of his company, right?

Josh Clark: Yeah. So we'll be leaning on him a little bit for some pointers about bounty hunting, right?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, can we go ahead and issue the first quote?

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: God, I wish we had Sam Elliott. "As bounty hunters we're driving around bad neighborhoods, talking to stupid people, drinking cold coffee, and looking for bad guys, and they talk about the glory of it all. For every buck we make arresting someone, we make a thousand in adrena dollars.

Josh Clark: Right.

Chuck Bryant: So he's talking about just the rush of it all.

Josh Clark: Sure, you run up on a bad guy and you've got your gun in his mouth and you're saying like try something, try something. You'

re pumpingChuck Bryant: Adrena dollars buddy.

Josh Clark: Fight or flight, buddy.

Chuck Bryant: That's awesome.

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: So Jesse James would be worth about 100 million or 10 percent of that is what the bounty hunter would earn, right?

Josh Clark: Sure.

Chuck Bryant: Is the cat out of the bag? Am I not supposed to announce?

Josh Clark: No, yeah, no, that's good.

Chuck Bryant: Yes.

Josh Clark: Yeah, they usually get, I think, ten to 10 percent.

Chuck Bryant: Of the total amount of bail, right?

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: So they would get this from the bail bondsman, so the bail bondsman obviously doesn't have to pay or not pay the huge amount.

Josh Clark: Yeah, let's recap real quick. When you go to jail, if you contract the services of a bail bondsman, you pay them a ten percent premium and the bail bondsman tells the court, I've got this guy. Technically, this person is in my custody and I will see to it that he or she makes it to the court appearance, right?

Chuck Bryant: Right.

Josh Clark: And in the meantime, you're out free. And if you skip, then that means, supposedly, that the bail bondsman is on the hook for you.

Chuck Bryant: Right.

Josh Clark: To pay your entire bail. So you gave the bail bondsman a ten percent premium. Say it was $5,000.00. They're on the hook to pay the $50,000.00, right?

Chuck Bryant: Indeed.

Josh Clark: If they are in a county or a state where they don't have the local court system and the local commissioners in their back pocket, then they might actually have to pay that bail.

Chuck Bryant: Right.

Josh Clark: And so they send a bounty hunter after you.

Chuck Bryant: Right.

Josh Clark: Okay. So the bounty hunter works for the bail bondsman. Rarely are they one and the same.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, two different professions.

Josh Clark: Chuck, you said back in the Wild West, there used to be wanted posters that say dead or alive, right?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, yeah.

Josh Clark: It's pretty infrequent these days.

Chuck Bryant: The dead thing?

Josh Clark: Yeah, the dead part.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, because you want to, obviously, collect your money and you cannot, as a bounty hunter, bring in a dead suspect because that does no one any good. You don't get any payment. And you cannot even do the old rough them up.

Josh Clark: No, because you can bring a roughed up fugitive to the jail all day long and they're going to say we're not taking him because the fugitive could say oh, actually it was the county that did this to me because they have deeper pockets than the bounty hunter who did.

Chuck Bryant: So yeah, the idea is to bring them in as gently as possible, without excessive force. And I think they said only three to four percent of the suspects even put up a fight. And usually that's I'll try to run or I'll squirm around. It's not truly like some big violent confrontation.

Josh Clark: That was Bob Burton's estimate.

Chuck Bryant: Okay.

Josh Clark: Yeah, but I imagine that's probably pretty exemplary of the rest of the field, right?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, and he also, Bob, pointed out that an experienced bounty hunter can make 50 to 80 and probably up to 100 grand a year, provided they don't have a TV show or book deal, which we'll get to in a moment, as well.

Josh Clark: We said in the last podcast that when you sign a bail bond contract, you are signing a document that is unlike any other you're going to ever sign for the rest of your life.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, I didn't know that.

Josh Clark: You are waiving some serious, serious constitutional rights.

Chuck Bryant: Uh-huh.

Josh Clark: For one, you are giving the bounty hunter more jurisdiction over capturing you than any police agency.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, you're basically giving them permission to come after you and use almost any kind of means necessary to come and get you.

Josh Clark: Right. You're waiving any right to extradition, within the United States. And you're also saying that you know what, you don't have to read me my Miranda rights.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah.

Josh Clark: And if you know where I live, you can come into my house to try to arrest me, as long as you're sure that it's my house.

Chuck Bryant: Let's talk about that. This is amazing that bounty hunters actually have way, way more leeway than cops do.

Josh Clark: Mm-hmm.

Chuck Bryant: They don't have to have warrants. They can just bust into your house. They can go through your mail, go through your trash. Obviously, they can tip off, go behind the scenes and do some more unscrupulous things. As long as no one knows about it, then it's all well and good.

Josh Clark: Yeah, Burton mentioned that he'll tip anywhere from 50 to 300 bucks for a motel clerk or a bartender or a bouncer to give them a call if you show up.

Chuck Bryant: And what do they need to do this, Josh?

Josh Clark: Very little.

Chuck Bryant: Not very much.

Josh Clark: No, it depends. It depends on the state. And in Kentucky, Illinois and Oregon, you're not going to find any bounty hunters. You're not going to find any bail bonding companies either. But like we said, you waive your right to extradition or right against extradition within the United States. So these states are aware that people do come to their states to flee as fugitives.

Chuck Bryant: Because no bounty hunters are there.

Josh Clark: Right and a bounty hunter is going to come into their state after them. Now, say like Kentucky, you can make an arrest, as a bounty hunter, in Kentucky. But you have to go to their court system first and say I need a warrant.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, this is actually a pretty - I think it would be the ultimate deal for the bounty hunter if your suspect goes to Kentucky, because basically you go, you get a court order. And then the judge will have a police officer do the dirty work.

Josh Clark: Yeah, that's Illinois.

Chuck Bryant: And arrest the person. And then you can have them remanded to your custody, so you get the award.

Josh Clark: Right.

Chuck Bryant: So you don't even have to capture them.

Josh Clark: No, you don't, but I imagine it's probably if you're a bounty hunter, you probably hate working with the cops.

Chuck Bryant: You think?

Josh Clark: Because it slows things down. It's bureaucratic and you're not used to playing by the same rules that they are.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, true.

Josh Clark: So I imagine it probably is a fly in the ointment when you have to go g et somebody in Illinois or something like that.

Chuck Bryant: True. Can they do anything, Josh, they want to? Are they completely above the law?

Josh Clark: No, definitely not. There's one sterling example of what you can't do is cross international lines in pursuit of a fugitive.

Chuck Bryant: That's bad news.

Josh Clark: One place you don't want to go is Mexico.

Chuck Bryant: Yes, that is Dog, the alleged racist bounty hunter who has a TV show on A&E. And I call him that because he was famously spouted a bunch of nasty, racist things.

Josh Clark: Did you hear that recording?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, he seems like a big jerk, to be honest, allegedly. But yeah, he actually caught a very famous criminal in Mexico.

Josh Clark: Yeah, it was Andrew Luster who was the Max Factor heir.

Chuck Bryant: Right.

Josh Clark: Back in 2003, do you remember that?

Chuck Bryant: Oh yeah.

Josh Clark: It was a big deal.

Chuck Bryant: And he got in big trouble for it. First he recouped some of his share of the million bucks and then Mexico said wait a minute. It's illegal here. You are under arrest, sir, but we'll let you out on bail.

Josh Clark: Yeah, they did let him out on bail. And he -

Chuck Bryant: He skipped bail.

Josh Clark: His entire job is to bring people back who skip out on bail, and he skipped out on bail.

Chuck Bryant: He did.

Josh Clark: So Mexico wanted to extradite this guy, but by that time, he'd already made a name for himself. He's a famous TV star. So Condoleezza Rice writes a letter on his behalf to Mexico, saying just drop extradition. And Mexico is like no.

Chuck Bryant: I'd like to vouch for Dog.

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: I wonder if that's what the letter said.

Josh Clark: I'm sure. Mexico said no, we're not going to extradite. And a court said send him to us. He's yet been sent to them.

Chuck Bryant: Well, they dropped the charges.

Josh Clark: Oh, they did?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, a couple of years ago, they dropped the charges.

Josh Clark: So he's off.

Chuck Bryant: He's off scot-free and he's doing his thing. His TV show was suspended for a little while because of the racist remarks and this whole Mexico thing. But it's going strong again.

Josh Clark: Yeah, because the American public, they'll forgive you if you will bust down doors on TV for them.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, who wrote this, actually?

Josh Clark: This was Stephanie Watson.

Chuck Bryant: Stephanie Watson wrote about Dog, the bounty hunter, his mulleted militia. I thought that was really good.

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: The other thing, Josh, that I thought was interesting that they cannot do, and this seems like a pretty big loophole, is they cannot enter the home of a friend or family member to catch you.

Josh Clark: No.

Chuck Bryant: So it seems you should just hide out with a friend or family member.

Josh Clark: It's becoming quite clear that if you or I ever jump bail, jump bond, right?

Chuck Bryant: Sure.

Josh Clark: We should go stay at the house of a friend or family member in Kentucky.

Chuck Bryant: Okay, yeah. I actually do know people in Kentucky.

Josh Clark: Okay. I need their address.

Chuck Bryant: I could go stay with Stacy Horne's parents. They'd be glad to have me.

Josh Clark: Well that was smart, Chuck.

Chuck Bryant: But they can't come and get me. Who cares?

Josh Clark: They can sit outside the house and the moment you come out, buddy.

Chuck Bryant: I'd be a shut-in.

Josh Clark: Okay. Chuck's got it all worked out.

Chuck Bryant: I do.

Josh Clark: All right, Chuck, but yeah, just about everything else, they can do.

Chuck Bryant: Sure.

Josh Clark: Can't rough you up.

Chuck Bryant: No.

Josh Clark: Can't go into Mexico, although they can.

Chuck Bryant: Oh yeah, clearly.

Josh Clark: They do. And they can't go into the houses of friends or family members.

Chuck Bryant: Right.

Josh Clark: What are they doing? They're using everything else at their disposal, right?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, they're doing stuff that, probably, a good detective might do. They're accessing your files and your records, phone records maybe, credit card receipts, asking around on the street, trying to find out where you like to hang out and shoot pool, that kind of thing. And then you stake it out like a cop would, you know.

Josh Clark: Yeah, some of them use spy gadgets, like pinhole cameras, that kind of thing.

Chuck Bryant: Night vision goggles that would be cool.

Josh Clark: But yeah, it seems like a stakeout is probably one of the bigger parts of the job of a bounty hunter.

Chuck Bryant: Yes.

Josh Clark: Several hours, several days. I would imagine hours if you're really, really lucky. And then you make the arrest.

Chuck Bryant: Right, Josh, but that's not the most important thing they have to their advantage, is it?

Josh Clark: No.

Chuck Bryant: Stephanie points out it is what? The element of surprise!

Josh Clark: Yeah, I like this. You can - you're not a police officer.

Chuck Bryant: No.

Josh Clark: So you can totally trick anybody any way you can.

Chuck Bryant: I love it.

Josh Clark: Dress up as a meter reader to get into that house.

Chuck Bryant: Candy gram.

Josh Clark: Of your friend or family member, right?

Chuck Bryant: Sure.

Josh Clark: Yeah, candy gram.

Chuck Bryant: And all of a sudden, they open the door. You say you're a UPS guy, and then no Miranda, no nothing, they just bust in there and put you down on the ground. That's pretty hinky.

Josh Clark: It is a little hinky.

Chuck Bryant: But it is a real job. It's bona fide.

Josh Clark: And you're saying you guys can do this to me when you sign your bail bond contract.

Chuck Bryant: Well exactly, that's the key. Josh, do they carry guns?

Josh Clark: Oh yeah, they carry guns.

Chuck Bryant: Heck yeah.

Josh Clark: Depending on the state, you may have to license it with the state. In Georgia, where we live.

Chuck Bryant: Yes.

Josh Clark: You have to be 25.

Chuck Bryant: Okay, check.

Josh Clark: You have to have a gun license.

Chuck Bryant: No check.

Josh Clark: You have to work for only one bail bondsman. This is kind of a big deal. There are freelance bounty hunters who will work for anybody.

Chuck Bryant: Non bochito code bounty hunters.

Josh Clark: Right. And a lot of states say no, no, no, you can't do that. You can be a bounty hunter, but you have to work for an express bail bondsman, and they have to have you on their books, and it can only be him. And if you show up in someone else's books, you're in huge trouble.

Chuck Bryant: Right. So you're still a freelancer. Technically, you're not on their staff.

Josh Clark: In some cases, yes.

Chuck Bryant: You're an independent contractor, but you exclusively work with that person.

Josh Clark: But I think it can go either way. Legally speaking, I don't know practically speaking, but legally speaking, you could either be on their staff or you could be an independent contractor. But once you're contracted with one bail bondsman or bail bonding company, that's it.

Chuck Bryant: Gotcha, okay.

Josh Clark: But there are states that allow freelancers.

Chuck Bryant: Which ones are those? Do you know?

Josh Clark: I think it's more most states allow it, rather than fewer states.

Chuck Bryant: Gotcha.

Josh Clark: I know Florida, North Carolina and South Carolina have rules about freelancing.

Chuck Bryant: Well that's all we care about because we're likely to get arrested here in the Southeast.

Josh Clark: Sure, but not by a freelancer.

Chuck Bryant: I've got a quote from Mr. Burton, Josh. You ready?

Josh Clark: Let's hear it.

Chuck Bryant: "It's very difficult for a wife to say to her husband when he's walking out the door at midnight with a shotgun, have a nice day at the office."

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: So he said the worry factor, even though it's usually non-violent, you're going out on your own without the protection of a police officer as well.

Josh Clark: Right.

Chuck Bryant: So that's a little scary.

Josh Clark: And there was one other trick that Burton points out and it's called finding out the Judas.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah.

Josh Clark: Remember we said that in the bail bonding episode, that in most cases, the bail bonding company takes something in collateral from say, your parents, the title to your parent's house.

Chuck Bryant: Sure.

Josh Clark: Let's say you skip bail anyway. Your parents are probably going to be fairly pissed at you for doing that.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah.

Josh Clark: And then all of a sudden, they may say you know what, I want him back here because I want to keep my house.

Chuck Bryant: Right.

Josh Clark: So Burton figures out who you've wronged by jumping bail.

Chuck Bryant: Exactly.

Josh Clark: Or possibly who you wronged in the first place to get arrested.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, drug dealer.

Josh Clark: Say like a drug dealer or something like that. And then he'll find that person and get the information where you are, where you like to shoot pool, as you put it.

Chuck Bryant: All right. That's the Judas, obviously named from the Bible. I was about to say Bible character, but I guess Judas was a real person. Sold out Jesus! That's probably not a real popular name, baby name, wouldn't you think?

Josh Clark: I don't know.

Chuck Bryant: Like Judas and Adolf are right up there.

Josh Clark: Yeah, and Lucifer. And Chuck, lastly, how do you get to be a bounty hunter?

Chuck Bryant: Believe it or not, dude, there are schools who are starting to have programs in bounty hunters and degrees. I'm not sure what schools.

Josh Clark: Oh, I can guess.

Chuck Bryant: But they're out there.

Josh Clark: Sure.

Chuck Bryant: And is it like evening and weekend schools, that kind of thing?

Josh Clark: Probably.

Chuck Bryant: Or maybe online schools.

Josh Clark: Which, I have to say, are gaining more and more accreditation and credibility.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah?

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: Before we leave, though, I wanted to point out one of the cool little tricks I saw is they'll rig certain things ahead of time to make it harder for you to escape. Like if they know they're going to go to your house, they'll go to your car first and jam something in the keyhole.

Josh Clark: Like paper.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, so if they get away out the back door, all of a sudden, they're at their car, fumbling with their keys and you walk up with your taser and put them down on the ground.

Josh Clark: Or you just run and put your gun in their mouth.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, you could do that too. And you could be a female. We keep saying him a lot.

Josh Clark: Yeah, he pointed out that it's a judgment call in the use of force. He said if you're coming up to a 25 year old girl who was wanted for kiting checks, he's going to say look, just come with us. We don't want to handcuff you.

Chuck Bryant: That's probably how it usually goes down.

Josh Clark: Sure.

Chuck Bryant: Not like in the movies. Ever seen a good bounty hunter movie?

Josh Clark: Dead Man.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, Dead Man is a good one. We talked about that. What about my favorite, Josh, was besides Midnight Run on the comedy, was The Hunter, Steve McQueen's final picture.

Josh Clark: I never saw that.

Chuck Bryant: It's a good one.

Josh Clark: I don't know that I've ever seen a Steve McQueen movie.

Chuck Bryant: Wha?

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: You've never seen Bullet?

Josh Clark: No.

Chuck Bryant: You've never seen The Great Escape?

Josh Clark: I think I have seen most of The Great Escape. Isn't Dustin Hoffman in there with some really thick coke bottle glasses?

Chuck Bryant: No, that's Papillion.

Josh Clark: Okay, well then I've seen Papillion.

Chuck Bryant: Steve McQueen was in that, though.

Josh Clark: Okay. So I have seen a Steve McQueen movie, then.

Chuck Bryant: Wow. Yeah, check out The Hunter. It's his last movie in 1980.

Josh Clark: I always confused The Great Escape with Hogan's Heroes.

Chuck Bryant: Similar.

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: Is that it?

Josh Clark: That is it, Chuck.

Chuck Bryant: Are we done bounty hunting?

Josh Clark: We are. That was our two part suite. Again, check out the MPR expose, I guess you could call it, on bail bonding in the United States. It's pretty eye-opening. You're always going to want to keep at least $150.00 in your sock, just in case.

Chuck Bryant: Sure.

Josh Clark: And you can also find out more about bail and bounty hunting by typing those words into the search bar at, which leads us, of course, Chuck, to listener mail.

Chuck Bryant: Not yet sir.

Josh Clark: Oh yeah?

Chuck Bryant: No, first we are going to issue, what I believe, is our first ever official apology.

Josh Clark: That can't be right.

Chuck Bryant: To a people. Well we apologize all over the place all the time, but this is official, because we, inadvertently, offended Jehovah's Witnesses in the listener mail segment from last week where the kid wrote in about his uncle who gave the blood transfusion to the Jehovah's Witness, even though they refused at first.

Josh Clark: The Portuguese doctor in Brazil.

Chuck Bryant: Yes, and we just -

Josh Clark: I think it was this week. It was Tuesday.

Chuck Bryant: Was it?

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: Okay. Well we just want to apologize, officially, to them because we had quite a few Jehovah's Witnesses write in and it came across as us saying that you know they were just willing to let their kid die and they were callous. And this non-Jehovah's Witness, he can save the day and blah, blah, blah, and that is not what we were thinking at the time. It was just like a nice hero letter, in my mind.

Josh Clark: Right.

Chuck Bryant: So, sorry guys. We didn't know we had so many of you out there listening to us. And you also - they also pointed out that bloodless surgery would be a good topic, and it's a very viable thing, so we're going to look into that, too.

Josh Clark: Okay.

Chuck Bryant: So -

Josh Clark: Do you feel better?

Chuck Bryant: I do. So I guess that's it, right?

Josh Clark: Right. And now it's time for listener mail.

Chuck Bryant: Yes, Josh, this is from - I call this Canadian e-mail. We will say that this is from James K. in Calgary, Alberta, which is in Canada.

Josh Clark: Yes, it is.

Chuck Bryant: We've been chided for saying Calgary, Canada. That's like saying Atlanta, United States.

Josh Clark: Atlanta, USA.

Chuck Bryant: So, that's in Alberta. And he is a big devoted listener, and basically has mainlined them since the end of September, like so many people do. They'll discover the podcast and listen to like 150 of them, and then they hate us. And not the case with James. He says, "I've listened to every podcast you have to offer and there are no more left, no more. I'm a drowning man, awash in a sea of confusion and lethargy. I must now live day to day, knowing that you will not, cannot be there beside me. I've worked my addiction up to the point of frenzy and then gone cold turkey in an instant, and it hurts. It hurts more than you'll ever know. So please, please give me more. The habit might be destructive. It might be pulling me down away from everything I formerly held dear and into the pit of some cesspool of intellectual fervor, but I don't care. I want my fix. I need it, and you're the only ones that can hook me up. Yours forever, James."

Josh Clark: Wow, we should get James to send us some money.

Chuck Bryant: He actually pointed out a few stats, 183 podcasts and there's a few more since he wrote in.

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: Three hundred - oh sorry, 3, 234 minutes information and entertainment.

Josh Clark: I don't know about either of those.

Chuck Bryant: And the first podcast with me, "Does Gum Really Stay in Your Stomach for Seven Years."

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: Remember those days when we recorded in a tin can?

Josh Clark: Yeah, five minutes in a tin can.

Chuck Bryant: Five minutes. And episodes without me, he says 19. I didn't know there were that many without me.

Yeah, we should probably re-record those 19.

Chuck Bryant: Or just erase them.

Josh Clark: No, there were some good topics in there, Chuck.

Chuck Bryant: Erase.

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