Can quicksand kill you?

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Josh Clark: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. "Chuck" Bryant.

Chuck Bryant: You pointed at me as if I was supposed to say, "Hey, and welcome to the podcast."

Josh Clark: I know.

Chuck Bryant: I almost did. I was like, "Uh."

Josh Clark: The trick is to point and start talking at almost the same time. There needs to be like an eight or ten millisecond delay.

Chuck Bryant: All right. All you journalism school students, broadcasting tips from Josh.

Josh Clark: Throws everybody off of their game. It's good.

Chuck Bryant: Point and speak.

Josh Clark: You know what I just did, I just assumed domination of this podcast, the whole thing.

Chuck Bryant: Well, you do that every time.

Josh Clark: That's not true. So Chuck, have you ever seen Gilligan's Island?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, a bunch of times.

Josh Clark: Did you know that, by my estimate, Gilligan's Island holds the record for most number of episodes used by a television show featuring quicksand as a device.

Chuck Bryant: I've got five.

Josh Clark: Five - yeah, me too.

Chuck Bryant: Gilligan got caught, Skipper go caught, Mr. Howell faked his death - remember that one?

Josh Clark: No, what did he do? Just put the hat on top of some quicksand?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah. That's exactly what he did.

Josh Clark: Yeah, I do remember that, then.

Chuck Bryant: He changed his will to include the castaways, and he thought they were trying to kill him. So he ran away and faked his death.

Josh Clark: Oh.

Chuck Bryant: But they were really just planning a party for him.

Josh Clark: I'll bet.

Chuck Bryant: And then botanist Lord Beasley, who was one of their random guests that they had.

Josh Clark: I don't remember him.

Chuck Bryant: I don't either. And Ginger and Marianne apparently got caught one night.

Josh Clark: Huh.

Chuck Bryant: That's some sexy quicksand.

Josh Clark: I'll bet it is, yeah. So I don't think there's anybody out there who's unfamiliar with quicksand.

Chuck Bryant: No.

Josh Clark: It's just such a great little throw-to. Any time there's a jungle scene or something and things are getting boring and you're a writer and it's 1957 or 1968 - or 1985 - you say quicksand.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah. You don't see it a lot lately in films and TV, though.

Josh Clark: We've gotten slightly more sophisticated.

Chuck Bryant: I think people realize that it was -

Josh Clark: Case in point -

Chuck Bryant: - not really a big thing.

Josh Clark: I don't think it's just with quicksand. I think we have gotten generally more sophisticated. In the '80s, who were pretty much throughout the whole decade the biggest box office draws?

Chuck Bryant: Arnold Schwarzenegger, maybe?

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: Stallone.

Josh Clark: Sylvester Stallone. Sure. Jean-Claude Van Damme. Not a very thinking decade, right?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah. Good point.

Josh Clark: Then you move into the '90s and you have more guys like Edward Norton -

Chuck Bryant: RDJ.

Josh Clark: Whoever that is.

Chuck Bryant: Robert Downey, Jr.

Josh Clark: Right. Yeah. Who, I am very heartened to see, is making quite a comeback? He's gotten off of the black tar and into life.

Chuck Bryant: And into box office gold.

Josh Clark: Yeah. Have you seen Sherlock Holmes?

Chuck Bryant: No.

Josh Clark: I have seen that movie like eight times.

Chuck Bryant: Are we ever going to talk about quicksand?

Josh Clark: So, quicksand, Chuck. Can it kill you?

Chuck Bryant: I saw a thing that said, theoretically if you were stuck over your head and you couldn't get out, obviously you could drown in it. But I believe you have a scientific study to refute that.

Josh Clark: There was a study - and we found from researching, reading an article on the site, and just kind of looking around. There's a very finite amount of information out there on quicksand because there's just a finite amount to know about quicksand.

Chuck Bryant: It's not as exciting as it is in the movies, let's say that.

Josh Clark: Which explains my Robert Downey. Jr. tirade?

Chuck Bryant: Right.

Josh Clark: There was a 2005 study that pretty much put the period on the sentence about quicksand and said, "It's physically impossible for a human being to sink into a pit of quicksand and die."

Chuck Bryant: Okay, sure. I think what I supposed was if you were dropped on your head into the quicksand.

Josh Clark: Yes.

Chuck Bryant: But it's usually not even so deep as to be taller than a human.

Josh Clark: No. If you're just a guy - if it's just you or I!

Chuck Bryant: That's me.

Josh Clark: And you fall into a pit of quicksand that is say seven feet deep, which is exceedingly rare. Most of the time, it's much shallower than that, so you just stand up. We are less than quicksand. The density of the human body's about one gram per cubic centimeter or about one gram per milliliter of water. Quicksand is about twice that. So if you just sit there, you become buoyant.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, you float on water and quicksand is denser than water, so you'll definitely float on quicksand.

Josh Clark: Exactly. So you can't sink.

Chuck Bryant: Are we done?

Josh Clark: We could be. But let's talk about sand and the properties of quicksand, which by the way falls under the purview of a field of science called rheology.

Chuck Bryant: Really?

Josh Clark: It's the study of the flow and deformation of unusual things like mayonnaise or Silly Putty or quicksand - seriously. So rheology studies quicksand, foam, things like that. Like mayonnaise. When you carve some mayonnaise out with a knife, it doesn't go back to a flat surface like it should.

Chuck Bryant: No, it doesn't.

Josh Clark: But it's still liquid, technically. It should have flow. It doesn't. Rheology!

Chuck Bryant: I love mayo. I'm a mayo man, Josh. Quicksand, if we want to define it, is solid ground actually. It's not like the oatmeal - I tried to find out what they used in movies. And the closest I could find was Fuller's earth mixed with water. Have you ever heard of Fuller's earth?

Josh Clark: Huh-uh.

Chuck Bryant: It's this really really powdery dirt, light brown - you use it a lot on film sets for all sorts of stuff. But that's what I think it is, anyway. It looks like oatmeal to me. But in reality, it's solid ground and it's just liquefied solid earth because it's been supersaturated.

Josh Clark: Yeah. And there's generally two ways that it can occur, right?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah.

Josh Clark: There is the upward movement of water, say from a spring. Or an earthquake can loosen it. And then you couple that with the introduction of water - bam, quicksand.

Chuck Bryant: Not too far from a sinkhole in some ways.

Josh Clark: No. Not too far at all, frankly.

Chuck Bryant: We've been on a geology kick lately, haven't we?

Josh Clark: I know. I was thinking that we were completing an earth sciences module here.

Chuck Bryant: This is our elementary school science project.

Josh Clark: Exactly, yeah. So that's pretty much the two ways that quicksand can form and especially with one say, where you have an upward movement? Let's talk about sand in general, dry sand. You're walking along the beach; you're getting friction from the ground which is why you're not falling down. Sand has something that's called a friction chain, I believe. And that means that they force that you're putting on it is distributed across the particles. So it forms this solid layer, solid resistance. With quicksand, water molecules have been introduced in enough -

Chuck Bryant: They're agitated, right?

Josh Clark: Well, you don't even need to agitate it. If you can get water in there, say through a spring floating upward, the water molecules are forming little pockets around the sand particles. They're not connected by friction any longer. So they're not solid, they're not stable. Then if you add some sort of movement - say an earthquake or the force of somebody's foot going on it - then whatever friction there is that keeps it stable is lost.

Chuck Bryant: Right. So you've been to the beach, right? Remember when you were a kid? You've never been to the beach? I've been to the beach with you, my friend, in San Diego.

Josh Clark: That's right.

Chuck Bryant: Although we didn't frolic or anything.

Josh Clark: No, it was cold.

Chuck Bryant: There was no time.

Josh Clark: It was December.

Chuck Bryant: No time for frolicking unfortunately. But do you remember when you were a kid, you'd walk into where the water is coming up and receding, and you'd start to sink a little bit. And then your feet would - if you let yourself go, your feet would become stuck. And I remember being a kid and thinking, "Wow, that's kind of frightening." Because they'd really become locked in if you get up to your ankle. And that's the same principle, right?

Josh Clark: Right. That's the exact same principle. It's the same thing with wet concrete too. When your foot or leg goes in there and is occupying space, you're creating this density, which creates some sort of suction force like a vacuum.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, vacuum - exactly.

Josh Clark: Which makes it very difficult to pull out? That 2005 study in Nature concluded that to pull your foot out of quicksand at a rate of one centimeter a second - which is fairly moderate. I think I can do that. That looks like one centimeter a second, doesn't it?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, sure.

Josh Clark: Yeah? To do that when it's stuck in quicksand requires the equivalent amount of force that it would take to lift a medium size car.

Chuck Bryant: So only Chuck Norris could probably do that.

Josh Clark: Chuck Norris and only Chuck Norris. Definitely not Jean-Claude Van Damme!

Chuck Bryant: That's crazy.

Josh Clark: Right. So you don't want to try to move your feet at a centimeter a second. You want to slowly move them and you want to wriggle them from what I understand.

Chuck Bryant: Wriggle?

Josh Clark: You want to wriggle, actually. Because what you're doing is you're very slowly creating space, pockets, around your legs which are stuck. That allows the water to come in, which allows it to break up -

Chuck Bryant: Less resistance, right.

Josh Clark: - the sand sediment, right?

Chuck Bryant: So are you talking about how to actually get out of quicksand?

Josh Clark: It feels like that's what we just moved into.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah. I mean, that's the one part that I've found is similar to the movies. Everything else is kind of really just a movie type of thing. But it is true. They say, the more you move and struggle, the more you'll sink. Just like regular water, though. If you were drowning, they say the same thing. If you were drowning and you actually calm down, you would float.

Josh Clark: Right.

Chuck Bryant: But your constant thrashing about will pull you under.

Josh Clark: Right. And it creates a stronger vacuum basically, the more you move.

Chuck Bryant: Sure.

Josh Clark: Have you seen that Man vs. Wild segment where he's in quicksand?

Chuck Bryant: No. I've seen the show, though.

Josh Clark: The guy gets into a thing of real life quicksand and shows you how to get out.

Chuck Bryant: Really? Have your cameraman hand you a rope?

Josh Clark: That was another thing, too, from that study in Nature. Again, this thing is like - it's been done. No other study needs to be done on quicksand. But one of the authors said, "Don't ask your friends to pull you out with a vine or a stick."

Chuck Bryant: Well, that's what they always do in the movies.

Josh Clark: I know. It could conceivably pull you in half.

Chuck Bryant: Wha?!

Josh Clark: Yeah.

Chuck Bryant: Really?

Josh Clark: Yeah. One of the authors of that rheology study said, "You don't want to do that."

Chuck Bryant: What did Bear Grylls do?

Josh Clark: He slowly wriggled his way out.

Chuck Bryant: Oh, okay.

Josh Clark: And the weird thing is he's - it's just the oddest thing. I would recommend everybody - I'm sure Discovery has it - we probably have it. If not, I'm sure you could find it on YouTube with Bear and quicksand or something like that. He's in this - it looks like a beach. You know how the beach looks at medium tide or something? So there's sand, but there's this thin layer of water over it, floating on the top. He's in that and he's up to about his waist in quicksand. And he's pulling himself out, so he's got his elbow up on the very quicksand that the rest of his body is in.

Chuck Bryant: But it's resting on top of it almost?

Josh Clark: Yeah. It looks really odd.

Chuck Bryant: I might've seen that actually.

Josh Clark: It's pretty cool. But he slowly pulls out. But what you want to do is get into a supine position on your back. Because you're just going to float, because again you're less dense than quicksand!

Chuck Bryant: Good point. Obviously, you can find quicksand anywhere if the conditions are right, but generally you're going to find it more around marshes, rivers, oceans where there's groundwater.

Josh Clark: And if you are hapless enough to get caught in quicksand along a beach on a shore, you're going to want to get out there very slowly but surely. Because eventually the tides going to come in and you're in big trouble! Especially if you've seen Creep Show.

Chuck Bryant: Oh, yeah!

Josh Clark: You know what happens to Ted Danson.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, buried up to his head, wasn't he?

Josh Clark: Yeah. By Leslie Nielson!

Chuck Bryant: That's right. And that was no Naked Gun joke. That was the real deal.

Josh Clark: It really was. What else have we got?

Chuck Bryant: Well, dry quicksand. You sent that article to me?

Josh Clark: Yeah, that article was written by our buddy Alan Bellows, who we've actually never met and don't know. But I have a tremendous amount of respect for him. He's over at Damn Interesting. I think he's the founder.

Ch uck Bryant: Oh, really?

Josh Clark: Yeah. And he wrote and article on quicksand and was talking about dry quicksand.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah. And this is not anything they've observed in nature, but they have created this in a lab, where the sand is like a house of cards. It's so loose that it barely can hold its own weight.

Josh Clark: Right. Say you had sand kicked up by a dust storm, and then when it's deposited again - if it's deposited - theoretically. Because like you said, it's never been proven to exist outside of the lab. But theoretically, if it was deep enough, it could look like it was solid. And for all intensive purposes, it was stable until you walk on it. The problem is, if it's deeper than you are tall, there's no water to make you buoyant. You're gone.

Chuck Bryant: It will kill you.

Josh Clark: It will swallow you whole.

Chuck Bryant: And, yeah. So when you go down it puffs up some sand.

Josh Clark: Yeah, I think so. Like the movie Dune or something. You would be swallowed into the very sand.

Chuck Bryant: Frank Herbert, quite a visionary.

Josh Clark: Yeah. But that's folklore as far as we know, although it has been done in a lab. And there's a cool series of photos of - it looks like an apple on top of some dry quicksand. And it gets sucked under.

Chuck Bryant: Oh, I saw that.

Josh Clark: And if you look at the time lapse, it's like seven-hundredths of a second. Maybe seven-tenths of a second!

Chuck Bryant: Almost like a sinkhole.

Josh Clark: Yes, again.

Chuck Bryant: Geology special.

Josh Clark: Yes. What should we do next? Like crystals?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah. Why not?

Josh Clark: Okay. We'll do crystals and skulls.

Chuck Bryant: Caves and crystals and skulls. Should we talk a little bit more about the movies and TV?

Josh Clark: I think we should. Again -

Chuck Bryant: You got anything else?

Josh Clark: Not a lot about quicksand.

Chuck Bryant: It almost sounds conciliatory like, "I'm sorry we did this one." Josh, Blazing Saddles, of course. I always mention one of my favorite films had a quicksand scene early on. Very funny. There was a movie in 1967 - actually we should point out, we got all of these from And they literally have every reference of quicksand ever in film and TV history.

Josh Clark: It's your one-stop-shop for quicksand movie references.

Chuck Bryant: So I just plucked a few interesting ones that were relevant to us. Well, actually this one isn't relative to us but the rest are. There's one movie called The Acid Eaters a.k.a The Acid People from 1967. "Four average middle class couples become weekend hippies, riding motorcycles, frolicking nude, and having a climactic - I can't say that word - adult party on a large white pyramid of LSD. During a topless catfight, a woman is thrown into the quicksand up to her bare chest as several bad actors stand around and watch. The next shot is just her arm above the surface, giving everyone the finger."

Josh Clark: Huh. I've gotta check that out.

Chuck Bryant: Sounds like a classic. We talked a little bit about TV. It's been in one episode of MacGyver, three episodes of Benny Hill.

Josh Clark: Yeah, I saw that, too.

Chuck Bryant: Three G.I. Joe cartoons, three episodes of Dynasty, four episodes of Fantasy Island - of course, I knew that would've been a little higher. I love this one - four episodes of General Hospital.

Josh Clark: Has it really?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah. So a show set in a hospital had four quicksand incidents.

Josh Clark: No, I think I saw one back in '81 or '82 when Luke and Laura were trapped on some island or something.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah. There's always and island scenario in a soap opera.

Josh Clark: And there's always quicksand when there's an island.

Chuck Bryant: Of course. Magnum P.I., do you want to talk about this one?

Josh Clark: I want you to.

Chuck Bryant: The show was called Operation Silent Night from 1980. The guys were stranded on a barren island at Christmas because the helicopter broke.

Josh Clark: Not just a barren island, a barren island that's being used for Naval bombing exercises.

Chuck Bryant: That's right.

Josh Clark: It's very tense.

Chuck Bryant: And while gathering palm fronds, Rick walks into a mud bog and thinks it's quicksand. And he sinks up to his chin before the guys tell him to stand up and get out.

Josh Clark: Yeah. And if you ever do fall into quicksand, keep calm. If you're with your friends, make sure you've hit the bottom - I've actually done this before. What you're just describing happened to Rick happened to me. And it's terrifying. I'm not kidding. It's terrifying. I was screeching, "Help. Get me out." And I realized that my feet were on solid ground. I'm not kidding. This really happened.

Chuck Bryant: I believe it.

Josh Clark: Okay. Thank you. And it's very scary. But once you realize you have your footing, it's very relieving. But if you can keep the feigned terror going, afterwards you just stop; hold out your hands, and go, "Ta da."

Chuck Bryant: And Hippie Rob will say, "Ah, man. That was a close one."

Josh Clark: Actually, it wasn't Hippie Rob. It was another hippie friend, Justin, who was there.

Chuck Bryant: Hippie Justin.

Josh Clark: Yeah, he can attest to it.

Chuck Bryant: I guess we'll close out with three episodes of The Simpsons.

Josh Clark: Let's.

Chuck Bryant: Mole man was in quicksand at one point. The cat of The Simpsons, I think there was a water leak or something and the litter acted as quicksand and sucked the cat into it.

Josh Clark: I don't remember that one.

Chuck Bryant: And then of course, the episode where Marge and Homer when to a spa. Homer's getting the massage by the woman and she's walking on his back and she starts sinking into his back fat.

Josh Clark: And he tells her not to struggle.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, "you'll only sink faster."

Josh Clark: So there you go.

Chuck Bryant: That's it.

Josh Clark: That is quicksand. Done and done. If you want to see a pretty cool flash animation of some guy in a sleeveless t-shirt sinking in quicksand, and if you want to read the only article on How Stuff Works that explicitly cites the worst-case scenario handbook, just type quicksand into the handy search bar at Again, check out Damn Interesting's article. It's very cool. And if you can find anything about rheology, check it out. It's pretty interesting stuff.

Chuck Bryant: I knew a guy in LA that knew the dude that wrote those books.

Josh Clark: Oh, really.

Chuck Bryant: The worst-case scenario books. Loaded!

Josh Clark: We have a fan who wrote a - I'm sure - zombie survival handbook. Did you ever read that?

Chuck Bryant: I did.

Josh Clark: It is excellent.

Chuck Bryant: It is way excellent.

Josh Clark: I love that book. I read it from cover to cover, Chuck. First time ever!

Chuck Bryant: So go ahead.

Josh Clark: Oh, yeah. Which means it's time for listener mail?

Chuck Bryant: I acted like I couldn't go forward. Actually, Josh, in lieu of listener mail this week, this is going to be fun. Today on Facebook, with your permission, I said, "Listener mail's getting a little bit dry. So why don't we just take some questions from the Facebook fans and will answer ten quick ones on the air." And we got 180 questions inside an hour. It's great.

Josh Clark: Are we just doing - was it that many? 180 in an hour?

Chuck Bryant: And climbing. I had to cut it off.

Josh Clark: Are we just reading their first names? Or first and last?

Chuck Bryant: I would say just first.

Josh Clark: But what about the privacy settings on Facebook?

Chuck Bryant: Renee says, "Do you discuss what points you'll cover ahead of time or does it happen more organically?" And as most people know, we don't prep that much with each other at all. We just do our research and we come in and have our first conversation right here.

Josh Clark: That's right. Today we broke protocol with me sending Chuck that Damn Interesting article. That's about as close as we come to really sharing information. We jealously guard our own research, don't we?

Chuck Bryant: If it feels spontaneous and conversational, that's because it is.

Josh Clark: Okay, you ready? I got one. This is from Nick. "If you one of you couldn't make a recording and the oat hair had to choose a replacement - who would be your fantasy recording partner?"

Chuck Bryant: Yeah. I could never record with anyone else but you.

Josh Clark: That was very sweet. I'll say the same thing, then.

Chuck Bryant: Nicholas says, "How does Josh get prepared when he writes and article? And how do you manage to remember all the names on your recording?" That's for you.

Josh Clark: All the names when we're recording - what do you mean?

Chuck Bryant: Well, how do you get prepared when you write and article and how do you remember all this junk that we say?

Josh Clark: Oh. I have found that my brain is a lot more spongelike than I ever realized before. Sometimes you've seen it. I'll just be sitting there spouting stuff off and I'll give you this look like, "Can you believe that I'm not looking at a piece of paper right now?"

Chuck Bryant: Yeah.

Josh Clark: It's awesome. To get prepared, I drink two raw eggs out of a glass.

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, Rocky style.

Josh Clark: And then I find that I podcast best - I'm at my most relaxed when I'm pantsless as I am right now.

Chuck Bryant: Tony - "To Jerri. If Josh and Chuck were trapped in a burning building and you only had time to save one of them before it collapsed and killed the other, who would you save?"

Josh Clark: And here's Jerri's response to that, [long beep]. Oh, Jerri. That was so nice. Thank you for saying that. I have one. This one's from Anna. "Where did you each go to college and what were your majors?" Chuck, I know where you went to college.

Chuck Bryant: We went to the same college.

Josh Clark: We did.

Chuck Bryant: UGA - University of Georgia.

Josh Clark: Yes. Go Dogs. How are we looking this year? Are w e going to have a decent football team, you think?

Chuck Bryant: Ah, you can never tell. English major here. I think you were, too, right?

Josh Clark: No, history. And I minored in anthropology.

Chuck Bryant: Oh, that's right. I knew that. Why'd I say that?

Josh Clark: So there you have it.

Chuck Bryant: Jessica Crouch, a Facebook fan and a looker - she says, "What's our biggest pet peeve?" I think mine is the loud cell phone talkers in public. I'm not into that.

Josh Clark: I would say - geez, I have so many of them. I'll just grab one out of thin air. People who misspell there depending on the context!

Chuck Bryant: Good one.

Josh Clark: That's just so dumb. But I guess all pet peeves are dumb, aren't they?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah. Couple more?

Josh Clark: Sure. Nikki says, "Any podcast that you're both itching to do but haven't plucked up the courage to do yet?" Yes. Furries and paraphilias! Chuck?

Chuck Bryant: Scientology.

Josh Clark: Nice.

Chuck Bryant: I don't want to get rubbed out. "Where did Josh go to high school?" From Bob, a Toledo dude.

Josh Clark: I actually went to Sprayberry High School in beautiful Marietta, Georgia. But I went to Junior High School in Toledo at Burndale Junior High. Again, the Bulldogs! I have a Bulldogs theme going through my educational history.

Chuck Bryant: Becca says, "Think of someone close to you that has passed away. If you had a chance to spend one more hour with them, but it would cost you a year of your life, would you and who?" And I would absolutely shave a year off of my old life to hang out with my granddad as an adult.

Josh Clark: Wow.

Chuck Bryant: Because he was a cool dude and he died when I was 14. So I didn't get a chance to talk to him about good adult stuff.

Josh Clark: That is very neat. Very neat, Chuck. I have one for you. Matt Ramsey has a question for you, Chuck. I imagine it's not for me because, well you don't want to be in my basement. Too many horrible acts have been committed down there. "Can my band come open up for your band in your basement, Chuck?"

Chuck Bryant: Sure, man. That would be awesome.

Josh Clark: Matt, you send an email to I'll give you directions to Chuck's house.

Chuck Bryant: My dog will be very excited to have someone else down there playing.

Josh Clark: I've got another one.

Chuck Bryant: All right.

Josh Clark: Noel says, "What is the difference between a cream soup and a chowder?" Can I answer this one?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah.

Josh Clark: So Chuck it's actually all geography.

Chuck Bryant: That's what I hear.

Josh Clark: The French word for pot evolved into chowder - chaudron.

Chuck Bryant: Or cauldron, maybe - later.

Josh Clark: Maybe. And that's the only difference. There's no cooking difference. There's no ingredient difference.

Chuck Bryant: That's what I've heard.

Josh Clark: It's all just -

Chuck Bryant: If you're in New England, it's a chowder. If you're elsewhere, it's cream soup.

Josh Clark: Yep.

Chuck Bryant: All right. That's it for those, but we have another batch coming on the next podcast.

Josh Clark: The next one?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah, the one we record right after this one.

Josh Clark: Oh, really? Do we?

Chuck Bryant: Yeah.

Josh Clark: Okay. All right. Well, thank you everybody for asking your questions. If you want to pose us a question or say hi or whatever you want to do, join us on Facebook. You can find us at, I believe. You can search for us Stuff You Should Know (website). We're also on Twitter. Follow us there, SYSPodcast. And you can email us as always at

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